Q: Are Turkish made guns inferior to those once made in Birmingham
A: Ever since Webley closed its production in Birmingham there have been a number
of people who have been quite vocal that the quality of guns made by Webley has
fallen. I cannot speak for all of the past but perhaps some history is worthwhile.
Firstly, there is no doubt that Webley and Webley & Scott products today are
amongst the finest quality and offer the best price/performance in their respective
markets of air guns and shotguns. However, getting to this point has not been easy
nor without considerable expense.
When production ceased in Birmingham, it marked the end of mass production of
shot guns in the UK. Today, there are probably less than 100 English-made shot
guns produced annually. In relation to air guns, other than smaller high-priced
producers of pre-charged guns, these have now left our shores as well.
On closure of the Birmingham plant, Webley first looked to Czechoslovakia for its
new production. Unable to satisfy its requirements the search was broadened and it
was Turkey that was chosen both for its cost and its capability. Since that time, it is
fair to say that Webley personnel have taught the Turks how to make air guns. Our
master gunsmith has been responsible for teaching barrel-making including
pull-dolly usage and choking. True two-stage triggers were developed jointly by
Webley engineers and the factories who produced Webley guns. Webley has taught
them testing protocols and procedures. The procedures used by the Turkish
manufacturers are basically those taught by Webley. Each year they come closer to
using all the procedures and tests demanded by Webley (and currently overseen
by resident Webley quality assurance personnel) for their own-branded production.
However, since nearly all are non-shooting engineers, they miss the final qualities
that turn a good gun into a great one.
There is little doubt that for a number of years the Webley and Webley & Scott
brands were in the hands of managers and owners who knew little of guns and who
paid scant attention to quality. Their focus was on sales revenue. My wife and I took
100% control of the Company some 9 months ago, as the then Managing Director
was making a pig's ear of running it. Since that date we have instituted massive
changes, dropping poorly designed product, dropping poor quality manufacturing
suppliers, bringing in new funding (and thereby ceding control to the gun-making
family, Fuller Brothers), bringing in new quality standards, employing resident
quality control staff, re-structuring distribution and, most importantly, focusing the
Company on the production of Quality Products; products that do what they say
on the tin and offer outstanding performance for the price.
Today, Webley makes what we consider is the finest air pistol in the World, the
Alecto. It is is the number 2 selling air pistol in the UK. We make the best
pre-charged gun based on performance per £, the Webley Raider 10. We make the
least expensive two-shot pre-charged in the Raider 2. In spring rifles:the Patriot is
the most powerful spring rifle you can buy;the Stingray, a tried, tested, quality gun
that boasts stability of design so that performance and reliability is now outstanding
in its class;the Value Max is at the cutting edge of performance for price; competing
in the low-price segment it still offers all of the traditional Webley values at a
modest price;Lastly, the Longbow: this gun was designed to be able to compete
and has a stock to match its performance.
In summary, the critics of Webley had a point; today they don't. Our development
programme has, in its small way helped Turkey become the third largest arms
manufacturer in the world. It has helped Hatsan get its toe-hold in the market. But
what I would say to you is this: Webley & Scott AG is a gun company, run by
shooters and most importantly GUN MAKERS. Our competition is not our past
products, we've surpassed those now. Our competition is not Hatsan; despite their
success, they are still a pupil learning from what we show them. Each of their guns
is really the old-gun we showed them with some new plastic stock design or trigger
we helped develop. No, the competition is ourselves, we're where we wish to be in
quality now we have to maintain the supply at that quality. The critics will, by our
own actions, change their minds.
I do not know of any problems with the Longbow. The design is a good one that has
in the past enabled a second-placing in the World Championships. Obviously, we're
very high on the production quality of Turkish guns. All their procedures are what
we have taught allied with new CNC machine capacity. I am sad that we in the UK
lost our ability to make guns but don't blame the Turks, it started with the Spanish,
then the Italians and now the Turks. I have a feeling that it may take a complete
circle and return, in part, to the UK but not for quite a number of years. Until then
you can buy our products with the same confidence as if they were made in
Q: Is it possible to find when a Webley & Scott Shotgun was
made, for who it was made and what was it's original configuration?
A: Webley & Scott no longer have records of guns produced prior to 2006,
these records are now held by: Gallyon and sons.
and son will provide production details for a small fee.
Q: Are there any books with detailed information on Webley & Scott?
A:BOOKS OF INTEREST TO WEBLEY ENTHUSIASTS
N.B.Some of these books are no longer in print
The Webley Story by William Chipchase Dowel ISBN 0-939683-04-0
Webley Revolvers by Gordon Bruce / Christian Reinhart ISBN 3-7276-7077-0
Webley & Scott Automatic Pistols by Gordon Bruce IBSN 3-7276-7106-8
Webley air pistols by Gordon Bruce IBSN 0-7090-66198
Webley air rifles 1925-2005 by Christopher Thrale IBSN 978-0-7090-8910-0
This list though comprehensive is not definitive.
Q: What are the scope groove dimensions for Webley air rifles
The sight grooves on Webley Eclipse were nominally 12mm on the major
width and 10.7mm on the minor width.3/8" or 9.5 to 11.5 scope mounts
are the ones to use.
Q: Can I identify which model Webley Air Rifle I have?
A: All Webley Air Rifles are marked with their model name i.e. Webley Vulcan.
In many cases the model name is between the telescope grooves on the top
of the main body tube. Remove the telescope from the gun and the model
name will be clearly visible.
Q: When was the Webley MK 2 Produced?
A: Webley Mk 2's were produced in several series between 1930 and 1946.
most series have the Pat. No's stated early guns have the Pat. No's on the
trigger housing, later guns have them on the main cylinder. To date the
gun you can send a photograph or state the serial number
which is positioned at the back of the trigger guard.
Q: Can I date my Webley Air Rifle?
A: Webley started producing Air Rifles in 1925 and continue to the
present day though throughout the war years (1939 – 1945) all air
gun production ceased.
Below are approximate dates of model production.
Webley Mk 1 Air Rifle 1925 - 1932
Webley Mk 2 (Service) Air Rifle 1932 – 1945
Webley Mk 3 Air Rifle 1947 – 1975
Webley Junior Ranger & Jaguar Air Rifles 1949 – 1979
Webley Falcon Air Rifle 1962 – 1971
Webley Hawk Mk 1 – Mk 3 1971 – 1979
Webley Osprey 1975 – 1984
Webley Vulcan and Victor Air Rifle 1979 – 1995
Webley Viscount and Tracker 1982 – 2000
Be eman C1 Air Rifle 1983 – 1991
Webley Omega 1984 – 1994
Webley Eclipse 1988 – 2000
Webley Excel 1988 – 2000
Webley Patriot 1993 – 2005
Webley Patriot Quattro 2010-current
Webley Xocet 2000 – 2009
Webley Stingray 2000 – 2005
Webley Stingray Quattro 2009-Current
Webley Sport 2001- 2005
Webley Nimbus 2002-2005
Webley Blackhawk 2007- current
Webley TS375 2007-2009
Webley Cub 2012- current
Webley Valuemax 2009- current
Webley Axsor 1997 – 2000
Webley Raider 1999 – current
Webley FX 2000 2000 – 2005
Webley Venom Viper 2000 – 2005
Webley Venom Mamba 2004 – 2005
Webley Verminator 2004 – 2005
Webley Spectre 2002 – 2005
Webley Sidewinder 2008-2009
Webley Cobra 2009 only
Webley Rebel 2012- current
Q: Can I find the date a Webley Air Pistol was produced?
A: Dating of Webley Air Pistols.Webley started producing Air Pistols in
1924 and today still produce Air Pistols to the same design principle
(see below the Tempest Centennial)The early Air Pistols were marked
with serial numbers up to the beginning of World War 2. Later Pistols
were the marked with usually a three digit batch number. This was to
identify parts that were fitted to specific guns as they were processed
round the factory. No Air Pistol were produced 1940-1945Below are
some approximate production dates that will help you date your
Webley Air Pistol.
Q: My father,uncle or grandfather has a brass Webley flare
pistol do you have any information?
A: THE WEBLEY & SCOTT 1 INCH VERY FLARE PISTOL
The Webley 1 inch Flare Pistol was known as the Very pistol.
The 1 inch Webley Very pistol was introduced in 1914 and was
used extensively by British and Empire armed forces during
World War 1.
Pistols issued to the armed forces were ordered
from Webley & Scott by the "Ministry of Supply" department of
the British Government. They are marked with the war department
vertical arrowhead, together with proofhouse marks, the Webley
trademark, and serial numbers. The year of manufacture is normally
stamped on the left - hand side of the frame to the right of the
arrowhead, For example if the pistol is stamped '17, then it was made
Consignments of the pistols were sent to military holding
depots and issued to the armed forces by the Ministry of Supply.
Webley & Scott have no records of who received the pistols from
the Ministry of Supply.
The 1inch Very pistol was discontinued in 1
938, although very few were made after 1918 when the Government
contract was terminated.
The approximate last issue Government
pistol was serial number 136509 and was recorded on December
3rd 1918. The last serial number issued by Webley & Scott was 137306,
recorded in November 1938.
Two versions of the Very pistol were
available – the "Number 1 Mark III and the "Number 1 Mark III*". The
"Number 1 Mark III*" differed only by the inclusion of a bell - mouth
handguard fitted to the end of the barrel to deter the user from
holding his/her free hand over the muzzle.
IMPORTANT NOTE – U.K. OWNERS
The Webley Very pistol (both types) is classified by the U.K. Government
as a Section 5 firearm and you must hold a valid firearms certificate to own
one. Many of these weapons are inherited or are found when
IF YOU INHERIT OR FIND ONE OF THESE PISTOLS IT IS IN YOUR
INTEREST TO NOTIFY THE POLICE AND SEEK ADVISE
IMMEDIATELY AS IT IS A SERIOUS OFFENCE TO POSSESS A
FIREARM WITHOUT THE REQUIRED CERTIFICATE.
Q: How can I find when a Webley Revolver or Automatic Pistol
was made and who first purchased it?
A: Webley volume production revolvers started to appear around
1853 as the Webley Longspur. From then on Webley revolvers
developed and evolved to meet market requirements. Often
many different models in many different calibres were produced at
the same time.The production records are no longer in our possession.
However Manufacturing dates and information are available for a fee
To date a gun they will need the serial number.
Can you tell the value of a Webley product.cannot give valuations.
For further information we suggest the book Webley Revolvers by
Gordon Bruce and Christian Reinhart
Q: I have experienced my PCP pump failing to
pressurise my airgun?
A: First thing to check is that all the fixings are tightened
correctly, the bleed screw is closed and the seals on the
filter probe are in good condition
Webley & Scott, PO Box 75 Dartmouth, TQ6 9AL Tel : +44 (0)1803 833335